User talk:Kyle Youmans/archive1

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Welcome to Iron Chariots Wiki! We hope you will contribute much and well. You will probably want to read the help pages. Again, welcome and have fun! Kazim 16:20, 23 March 2014 (CDT)

Hi and recent edits[edit]

I thought I'd say hi, since we are the most active people on the wiki at the moment and both joined recently. I like your edits and your attempt at trying to organise the chaos! Any future plan of work on the wiki? --Tim Sheerman-Chase 12:18, 10 April 2014 (CDT)

I would like to provide Atheist counter-apologetics on all possible topics and religions.--Kyle Youmans 12:20, 10 April 2014 (CDT)
I think we're in the right place! That is an enormous undertaking so good luck.--Tim Sheerman-Chase 12:33, 10 April 2014 (CDT)
Thank you.

Kyle Youmans 12:34, 10 April 2014 (CDT)

Beliefs with no scientific consensus supporting them[edit]

I suggest that "Beliefs with no scientific consensus supporting them" is a bit wordy. I can't think of a direct alternative. Perhaps split the group in pseudo-science and superstition (or both) depending on if they pretend to be scientific. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 09:38, 14 April 2014 (CDT)

Stubs for classes of arguments[edit]

I see you have updated the "arguments for God" template to link to articles for each type. [1] If you don't plan to write this pages, I suggest categories for each type of argument might be a better solution, or no class links from the template at all. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 17:39, 15 April 2014 (CDT)

381 AD name change[edit]

I guess changing the name of this page to include the sub-title makes sense. Deleting the original and changing links to it also make sense, rather than leaving a blank page. Lausten

Stub articles[edit]

Kyle, please stop making dozens of stub articles for topics that aren't written yet and may not have any significance to counter-apologetics. Have you read Iron Chariots Wiki:Editing guidelines?

Don't create new pages unless there is useful information to convey about them which directly relates to counter-apologetics. There is no need for a separate page with basic factual information about every branch of religion in existence. That's what Wikipedia does. Also, especially, you shouldn't be creating new categories with just one item. Categories are a way of grouping together lots of individual pages that have similar themes. A category called "Confucianism" with a single article called "Confucianism" that has two sentences and a Wikipedia link is not conveying any useful information. --Kazim 12:52, 25 April 2014 (CDT)

Sorry. Kyle Youmans 17:50, 29 April 2014 (CDT)
You continue to add stub articles and categories with little relevance to apologetics. I have a feeling we have not made ourselves clear. I highly recommend you discuss what you plan to do next, on this page, before you perform any further action. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 18:13, 29 April 2014 (CDT)
I plan on cleaning up the mess I have made and focusing more on finding counter-apoligetics arguments for this wiki. Kyle Youmans 18:21, 3 May 2014 (CDT)
I have created some pages to try to coordinate future work. The WikiProject Arguments lists the core articles by quality and importance. I have not finished categorising them but please take a look at the low quality and stub articles. I also created the Community portal page which has links to other useful lists, such as stub pages and articles to be merged. I will try to give you a hand with cleaning. The wiki is running a little slow which can make it a little annoying. If there are any missing arguments, it would be great to add them but it is hard to avoid duplication of what we already have done. [2] [3] [4] --Tim Sheerman-Chase 05:19, 4 May 2014 (CDT)
What would be useful is to find any apologetic arguments that we missed (I found one today on relics). Also find missing counter arguments on the apologetics argument pages. Then get all the pages formatted in a more consistent style. I hope you are still interested! Don't feel singled out by Kazim, he was questioning my created articles too. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 13:53, 25 April 2014 (CDT)
If I might make a couple of suggestions: for one thing, there's no need for Iron Chariots to be a complete catalog of every religion, sect, and apologist. Wikipedia lacks pages for many people, even interesting people, because they're not famous enough. We can do the same here. As a rule of thumb, if you're not following a red link, then no one has expressed an interest in the topic at hand, so there's probably no need to create a new page.
Secondly, when you're adding information, see whether it fits in an existing page. Readers aren't going to want to read a dozen related articles. It's easier to split off a section into its own article, than to combine several small articles into one.
Basically, if you put information where people will look for it (usually existing articles), then you'll keep information from becoming diluted, and help make the wiki useful. --Arensb 15:08, 25 April 2014 (CDT)

Hi again Kyle,

You mentioned you would clean up the stub religion articles. I personally feel like most of them should be deleted, but I feel bad asking you to undo all the work you've already done. Here's a useful compromise you could work on though. Would you please get rid of some of the multitudes of unnecessary categories you made? I feel like there really doesn't need to be, for instance, a category about Zoroastrianism which has only two things in it (especially considering that I've never heard of or met a Zoroastrian apologist in my life, and there are no Zoroastrian common apologetics mentioned anywhere on the site). "Dharmic Religions" seems more in line with how big a category should be, although IMHO even that is too narrow and could maybe be fit into something larger like "Eastern religions" maybe.

Ideally here's what I think I'd prefer to see:

  1. No subcategory of religion with fewer than ten entries (ballpark).
  2. No subcategory tree going deeper than 3 levels (i.e., it seems like "Religion / Christianity / Southern Baptism" or "Religion / Eastern religion / Shinto" should be plenty, although maybe a fourth level might be worth considering).
  3. If you want to lay out this big hierarchy of religions so much, I think maybe a better way to do it would be to lay out one big reference page, with something like "World religions" and a nested bullet point structure under very big section headings.

How does this sound to you? --Kazim 12:10, 7 May 2014 (CDT)

...Also when you delete a category, actually click the delete button please. Don't just "blank" it. It is still possible to recover a deleted page if you make a mistake. --Kazim 12:21, 7 May 2014 (CDT)

There is a special page with all the short articles. That might be useful to sort this out. --Tim Sheerman-Chase 12:37, 8 May 2014 (CDT)