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So what exactly is the problem with being stubborn? If someone <i>insists</i> that unicorns exist, surely a stubbornness to accept his claim is acceptable? Even praiseworthy? Britain's stubbornness in refusing to surrender to Germany? What about the Christian stubbornness in <i>professing</i> belief in things they've never seen?  --[[User:BronzeDome|BronzeDome]] 06:48, 15 July 2011 (CDT)
So what exactly is the problem with being stubborn? If someone <i>insists</i> that unicorns exist, surely a stubbornness to accept his claim is acceptable? Even praiseworthy? Britain's stubbornness in refusing to surrender to Germany? What about the Christian stubbornness in <i>professing</i> belief in things they've never seen?  --[[User:BronzeDome|BronzeDome]] 06:48, 15 July 2011 (CDT)
:You're using your own special definition of the word in your examples than is being used in the article. "Stubbornness" implies a degree of irrationality on the part of the stubborn. Theists often project their own irrational views of the divine onto atheists, accusing them of refusing to believe in a god simply "because they don't want to" (see [[Atheists are just in denial]]). That way, theists have an excuse to ignore both all the rational reasons for disbelieving theistic claims and the need to provide proof of those claims. I don't think you're suggesting that the only or best reason that people shouldn't believe in unicorns or surrender to Germany is "because they don't want to". [[User:Jdog|Jdog]] 11:00, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

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I'll probably be reworking this article soon. The mainline argument covers inconsistent revelations about the nature of god between different religions and serves as one possible rebuttal to Pascal's Wager (avoiding the wrong hell). I've been working on a newer version of this particular argument which eliminates some of the objections apologist's raise by narrowing the scope to competing ideas about the same "god concept". Sans Deity 10:59, 28 July 2006 (MST)

Stubbornness

So what exactly is the problem with being stubborn? If someone insists that unicorns exist, surely a stubbornness to accept his claim is acceptable? Even praiseworthy? Britain's stubbornness in refusing to surrender to Germany? What about the Christian stubbornness in professing belief in things they've never seen? --BronzeDome 06:48, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

You're using your own special definition of the word in your examples than is being used in the article. "Stubbornness" implies a degree of irrationality on the part of the stubborn. Theists often project their own irrational views of the divine onto atheists, accusing them of refusing to believe in a god simply "because they don't want to" (see Atheists are just in denial). That way, theists have an excuse to ignore both all the rational reasons for disbelieving theistic claims and the need to provide proof of those claims. I don't think you're suggesting that the only or best reason that people shouldn't believe in unicorns or surrender to Germany is "because they don't want to". Jdog 11:00, 15 July 2011 (CDT)